Series averages 8.7 million viewers across its six-part run, earning bragging rights over first series of ITVs Downton Abbey. ByJohn Plunkett
What was the conclusion Brooker came to in an episode of Screenwipe? Turned out, young people are people, and like the same quality programming everyone else does. Thats why me and my Granddad can both watch Only Fools and Horses and get it.
Most younger viewers I know ignore the BBC, and have also pretty much stopped watching TV conventionally. They use on-demand services via their smart phone or ipad or other gadgets.

God forbid they should give a go something that doesnt involve no-marks getting drunk, wacking their tits out then bursting into tears all in a pointless quest for their 15 minutes.
Ironic that since his great-great-grandther spent so much energy in keeping crap away from peoples homes, Peters careers been based on sending it the other way.
I might still have the cup of tea and the slice of cake (not WI though, I wouldnt know where to find one of their bake sales) but itll be Being Human for me and then maybe Ill pop along to Channel 4 OD for a spot of Noel Fieldings oeuvre. Oh, and if I ever utter the words to a personage of a more youthful persuasion This is just noise; we had proper music when I was your age then please just take me outside and shoot me.
What I dont get is this assumption that once you hit middle-age youre expected to settle down of a Sunday evening with a nice cup of tea, a slice of Victoria sponge (preferably home-made or from a WI bake sale) and watch Songs of Praise, Antiques Roadshow and a quaint costume drama. If those of us raised on Bowie, Glam Rock and Punk could see that as our future, wed probably have euthanised ourselves the moment the first Ooh! Countryfiles on! passed through our minds, before it could get out of hand and we found our brains atrophying on safe, twee Sunday night cosiness.
Interesting piece – but in our household its the teenagers who lead the charge for the remote to switch on Downton.
Isnt youth culture already squatting on an enormous amount of the cultural space? Even the BBC news appears to be directed at children, with Fiona Bruce emoting and gesticulating like a bastard..
Now where is that remote so I can watch the news on anything but the biased BBC.







They conspicuously il to attract this elderly atheist who is up to here with repetitive antiquefests, gets out into the countryside personally not through a pixcellated medium and doesnt particularly want a diet of afterbirth and twee period detail of a Sunday evening too.

Todays is a digital world and they can watch 24hrs of nubile dance videos on some satelite channel somewhere!


War declared as Upstairs, Downstairs creator fires volley at Downton Abbey
Keeley Hawes, left, plays Lady Agnes Holland and Ed Stoppard Sir Hallam Holland in the BBC1 drama series Upstairs Downstairs. Photograph: BBC/Jane Hilton
If the Beeb programmed Sunday evenings with younger viewers in mind, this article would be about how theyre ignoring older viewers.
johnplunkett149:Call the Midwife hailed as BBC1s biggest new drama for over a decade
If I read one more description of Call the Midwife as twee, Im going to throw something. Just because a programme is set in the irly recent past and shown on a Sunday evening doesnt automatically make it comfy. Or maybe Bazalgettes crap offerings and the various incarnations of yoof TV are also covering and delivering devastating critique of the coalitions plans for the NHS, and I just havent noticed…
Yeah, Ive noticed how anyone over the age of 55 is unavailable at 9pm on a Sunday night because theyre all watching Being Human on the BBC. But maybe this guys remote is broken?
What age do you think most license fee payers are? 16? 17? If the BBC dont cater for all ages they get panned. If they dont get audiences, theyre criticised for elitism. If they get it right with a HUGE audience on Sunday, then of course theyre being too specific with an age group that just happens to have most disposable income for the ad men.



About time the older demographic got a look-in in prime time. Not that the nostalgia stuff thats taking over interests me, Im just stand up for the rights of Wrinklies.
But a lot of the best stuff on BBC4 — wonderful though it is — is recycled or re-assembled from the archives from the days when the Beeb really was world class rather than a gravy train for management consultants as it seems to be now.
Youre not trying hard enough, old son. There are lots of ways to watch the iPlayer from abroad.
It is surprising the number of young people who dislike Costume Dramas and it is easy to see why. Its just Coronation Street/Eastenders with old clothes on……….
Look into the archives, pull out the Wednesday Play tapes from yesteryear and do it.
Staggers the mind….


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Trouble began when Jean Marsh suggested Downton Abbey was a thinly-disguised csimile of original Upstairs, Downstairs
Surely the real TV story in the last year has been the phenomenal revival of TV drama as a force against reality and game shows. Is that getting reported? Or shall we just listen to whatever crap drops out of Bazalgettes mouth and report that?
BBC has knocked the ball out of the park with new drama on Sundays in 2012. So an independent TV trash-peddlar now suggests that they schedule exactly as he prefers, rather than what the public happen to want to watch.
Downton Abbey: which character are you?
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Viv Groskop:The second series of Downton Abbey begins on Sunday find out if you would be upstairs or downstairs in ITVs period drama with our quiz
A man that wishes to be known as Baz into late middle age trying to look down with the kidz. Whatever next? Isnt it possible for young people to enjoy Dowton Upstairs etc..?
The BBC could answer Bazalgettes criticism simply by closing BBC3 and 4 and moving their content onto BBC1 and 2, where, frankly, it should have been in the first place.
What Id love to know is what Peters kids watch on TVor are they, like he was, banned from watching TV as a child, and given oh I dunno .something richer, like books?
Weve got enough talented writers and actors for heavens sake, give them a job.

This is very true. Im not even that young – thirties – and I feel totally shut out of Sunday nights (and quite a few other nights) by the Downton/Midwife/Upstairs drama that is endlessly pumped out. And so what do i do? Reach for yet another US boxset. Where is the exciting, younger skewed, male skewed drama that will ensure i remain committed to watching for the next six weeks?
I thought most of Tv was now aimed at younger viewers especially on ITV, although the BBC has BBC 3 and BBC 1 for younger viewers and 301. I got rid of my telly because its no longer balanced towards all age groups and very very occasionally just use catch-up services instead.

Sir Peter Bazalgette, who has been both celebrated and vilified for his role in bringingBig Brotherto British television screens, believes theBBCneeds to deliver a wider range of dramas, including those dealing with contemporary subjects and designed to appeal to younger audiences. BBC1 needs to have a mix, said Bazalgette. WhenX Factoris on ITV during the autumn it is quite right that BBC1 has the older skewing show,Strictly Come Dancing. But generally speaking, it is important to have a mix and appeal to all viewers of all ages. The more contemporary you go, the more risky the drama. But all arts bodies receiving state funds are expected to take risks. The licence fee, as public money, is there to encourage the BBC to make an investment in risk.
If something is good it will appeal to any age group. When I was 10 I still enjoyed Upstairs Downstairs. When I was 15 I still watched All Creatures Great and Small. TV has never catered for young people, remember DEF II?
Now theyre either lost to Sky or clash with eastenders omnibus!
How ridiculous. There has never beenmorechoice. Most homes have 2 or more TV sets with at least 40 channels, while around 50% of homes have a choice of literally hundreds of channels as well as a DVR and a selection of catch-up and on-demand channels. This is before we even get on to pcs, laptops and mobile devices and online TV & video. The BBC cant appeal to everybody, every night of the week. And those of you slagging off Antiques Roadshow and Countryfile should remember that they are still massively popular.
At a recent media conference Bazalgette described BBC Sunday-night scheduling as a bizarre heritage zone. Statistics suggest that Sunday evenings on BBC1 have become a refuge for middle-aged middle Britain, with around 90% of its audience aged over 35. Programmes such asSongs of Praise,Antiques Roadshow,CountryfileandCall the Midwifehave conspicuously iled to attract younger viewers.

Thanks God for catch up TV. where I can select when and what I prefer to watch.
A suggestion Peter – why dont you try quality drama yourself?


Amazingly not everyone enjoys that sort of thing.
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BBCs Sunday night TV ignores younger viewers, says tv scripts,





For the record, Beeb managers if youre reading, I dont live in the UK any more, can hardly watch the Beeb except when Im at home for the weekend and would willingly pay a subscription to be able to access iPlayer from outside the UK
An analysis of BBC1, compiled using Broadcasters Audience Research Board (Barb) figures, of the hours between 6pm and 10pm from 15 January, when the first episode ofCall the Midwifewas screened, to 5 February, showed that 90% of the audience was over 35, meaning just 719,000 under-35s were watching. Women comprised 57% of the audience. The comparatively affluent were heavily represented, with 57% belonging to the top social bracket of ABC1. The big exception to the trend isSherlock, which took the percentage of under-35s watching on 15 January to 17% (although it finished at 10.30pm).

Oh No! Has something happened????? Is BBC1 the only channel available on a Sunday night now. Blimey, I remember when there used to be tons of channels to watch…. Even channels aimed at a younger audience!
Peter Bazalgette is clearly out of touch with how young people consume TV and other moving image today. My 2 teenagers watch what they want when they want to watch it – online, on mobiles, whatever. Much of what they watch isnt TV at all. The notion of turning on the TV at 9pm on a Sunday evening to watch a specific programme is wholly alien to them. The issue should be, is there enough quality TV available to them? Not, what time/day it is scheduled. The main complaint I get from my 18 year old daughter is that most TV that appears to be aimed at her generation is shallow and patronising.
Danny Cohen, controller of BBC1, who took over the billion-pound annual budget last year, shrugs off criticisms of a Sunday-night heBBCs Sunday night TV ignores younger viewers, says tv scriptsritage zone. There is no particular shift to target older viewers, he told theObserver. Dramas are chosen by the quality of the scripts, and period dramas do tend to attract older viewers. At this time of the year you tend to have those sort of shows, he said, with the recent adaptations ofBirdsongandGreat Expectationsbearing this out. Cohen has ordered a second, longer series ofCall the Midwife, and another new drama series in production is about the Wars of the Roses, based on Philippa Gregoryss novels.
When a substantial portion of the nation settles down to watch the first episode ofUpstairs DownstairsonBBC1on Sunday, many will be wondering how the latest series will match up to its racier ITV rival,Downton Abbey. But as the conveyer belt of period drama continues to deliver polished productions of life in the 19th and 20th centuries, one of Britains most successful television executives is arguing that Sunday-night television programmers needs to leave their middle-aged comfort zone.
Get a grip Bazalgette!

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Call the Midwife hailed as BBC1s biggest new drama for over a decade
anyhoo Mrs Browns Boys rates third on the fresh-ometer?!!!
mediaguardian:Call the Midwife hailed as BBC1s biggest new drama for over a decade
Furthermore has it not occured to the writer that this demographic might not want to watch a channel now med for countless repeats of Dads Army or house / antique programmes?!









For the record, Beeb managers if youre reading, I dont live in the UK any more, can hardly watch the Beeb except when Im at home for the weekend and wouldwillinglypay a subscription to be able to access iPlayer from outside the UK
Otherwise I am quite happy either to watch what is put in front of me on a cold dark Sunsay evening or (in the words of the BBCs own Why dont you) just switch off the tv set and do something less boring instead? !!
While were at it, the BBC could have a subscription sports channel or two and frankly bring back from Murdoch all the jewels lost to him over the years!
Bazalgette said: The BBCs natural deult position is heart-warming heritage, and then they occasionally lurch into contemporary when criticised. They need to think of younger audiences; they are at the heart of Britain too. But he also pointed out that historical series such asUpstairs DownstairsandCall the Midwifehad taken several years to develop, and were inherited by Cohen. I would be very surprised if he did not now want to introduce a more contemporary feel.
So: scrap the licence fee and if we want the marvels that the >35s seems to enjoy (Attenborough, period drama or whatever), then they can pay for it!
Former BBC executives confirm that the safe way to get big audiences and maintain BBC1s dominance over ITV1 is to super-serve loyal older viewers who watch more than the average four hours and two minutes of TV each day during the winter. Women aged over 55 watch significantly more television, an average of 39 hours and 34 minutes a week, confirmed Thinkbox, the body that represents commercial television. As Britains population ages, that audience is growing.


Downton Abbey 美国主机, Upstairs Downstairs……..is this a government plot to get us oiks used to being subservient I wonder?
Of course, there was a time when <35s once had the occasional live Grand Prix dependent on other countries relation to GMT.
He added: I think it is wonderful that British viewers have such a great and intelligent interest in history and the historical context. The enduring interest in the classic novel now sits alongside an audience hunger for television drama that brings the past to life. Its very British to say heres a success, lets knock it. He rejected the idea that the BBC was playing safe. I think thats nonsense.Call the Midwiferated fourth on an internal BBC monitor of what is viewed as fresh and new, afterEarthflight,SherlockandMrs Browns Boys. I would really argue it is not a safe commission.
16 Dec 2010
Im sure that were all eternally grateful to Peter Bazalgette for giving us Ready Steady Cook, Changing Rooms and Ground Force – a clear, demonstrable contribution to programming for young people. Looking at his track record, its hard to take his opinions about quality or heritage TV seriously. The BBC – and now ITV – does this kind of drama exceptionally well and audiences tune in in their millions. Both Birdsong and Great Expectations were better and more imaginatively made than most of their big screen equivalents. Surely, schools are trying to encourage young people to engage with classic literature – isnt TV a good way in? And for anyone who doesnt ncy Upstairs, Downstairs, they can just turn to BBC Three for Being Human. So, whats the problem?
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As Upstairs Downstairs returns, Peter Bazalgette says younger viewers need an alternative to period dramas
Although, as a young male, Ive noticed amongst my peers that BBC4 usually gets more viewing time, on account of it being nothorrificallycondescending. Fuck two pints of larger and a packet of crisps. Fuck it right in the eye. Im young, Im not a goddamn moron.
Songs of Praise, Antiques Roadshow, Countryfile and Call the Midwife have conspicuously iled to attract younger viewers.
Did it ever occur to you that older viewers might detest period drama? Does the BBC put out anything other than crappy costume drama and endless talentless shows and quiz shows? Apart from Sherlock and the stuff put out for the OU I cant think of anything the BBC does well. Their best recent offering was from Denmark with subtitles. Even the news reports are biased as hell in vour of whoever is in government and controls the licence fee.
Isnt the whole point of BBC1 to show mass market stuff? And isnt BBC3 and 4 supposed to be the Yoof and Oldies channels, respectively?

CD
Has anyone done the joke about Bazalgette undoing his great great (or maybe great) grandthers work in building much of Londons Victorian sewer system, thus being responsible for pumping gallons of eoutof peoples homes…?
13 Sep 2011